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tblues2009
Re :   Why no gas surcharge?!?

 We just added a gas surcharge last week at County Cab.  It is about time that they did something for us.  These prices are getting too expensive right now.   They should have done this long ago because the prices for gasoline has gotten high once again.


06/20/2009 11:30 AM


guest
Re :   Just how bad have things got?

I got approached by an off-duty cop in a private Hi-Tech security car last weekend after he saw 5 people get out of my cab (it's a car). He was an asshole to me and took my license, insurance, etc. and told me i was overloaded. after 5 minutes of giving me ahard time, he gave me back my stuff and warned me that the new commission, Lietenant so-and-so was a hard ass and he was not going to tolerate alot of what was going on before he came to power. So, no things are not looking up, and it seems really telling that they appointed a cop to head the commission. If you thought they bullied us around before, I can't imagine what the next few years will be like. Here's the announcement of the new director: http://www.stl-taxi.com/docs/mtcpressrelease.jpg


05/29/2009 12:18 PM


guest
Topic :   Why no gas surcharge?!?

Why can't we charge a gas surcharge? I just put $40 in my tank last night. This is getting crazy again. I looked at the taxicab commission's own website and they even say we can charge the dollar surcharge when gas is above $1.80. It's been above $1.80 for 3 months now. Maybe we should just start charging it, but the thing is, everyone has to do it, or else passengers will complain that last time they didn't get charged that, blah, blah, blah. if you don't believe me about the commission saying that, look at page 46 of this document on their website: http://www.stl-taxi.com/docs/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20VHC%20revisions%20to%20be%20posted%20for%20public%20comment4-23.pdf


05/29/2009 12:09 PM


notdeniro
Re :   Existance of this forum....

If it's helpful, these are two other forums of cab drivers in other cities.
Las Vegas: http://lasvegas-taxidriver.com/forum/index.php/board,1.0.html
New York City: http://nycitycab.com/forum/Forum.aspx


05/29/2009 11:54 AM


notdeniro
Re :   Another strike in Canada (Saskatoon)

Cab drivers suspended following protest
By David Hutton, The StarPhoenix
May 15, 2009
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/drivers+suspended+following+protest/1598972/story.html


Taxi drivers protest their work conditions Thursday in front of City Hall.

At least 25 taxi drivers have been suspended by United Cabs after raising allegations of racism and discrimination by their employer at a demonstration Wednesday.

The company denies the allegations and says it moved to lock out the employees for what it called a "wildcat strike."

Around 50 drivers, mostly of Pakistani descent, gathered Wednesday night at a parking lot near the airport to raise concerns about alleged verbal abuse by company managers and to protest the firing of a co-worker.

Many drivers received messages during the demonstration telling them they were suspended, which was confirmed by United Cabs management on Thursday.

United Group general manager Scott Suppes arrived at the parking lot and tore signs off the windows of several cabs, he said in an interview.

"We have some cars that we own ourselves and I took signs off cars that were ours," he said. "I think anybody reasonably would have done the same thing. If it was your car and they were putting signs on it claiming things they shouldn't be claiming, you'd probably take them off, too."

The drivers took to the streets again Thursday, eventually moving their protest inside the lobby of City Hall, where they stood waiting for several hours while demanding a meeting with Mayor Don Atchison.

"People decided to get together and demonstrate and get their voices heard so their rights wouldn't be violated," said Fawad Muzaffar, 33, a United driver who was suspended Thursday.

"This treatment of locking people out (for) making a legal demonstration is not fair," he said. "We should be treated fairly. There should be a code (under) which people should be fired. . . . Right now, there is no ifs or buts about it."

The cab drivers allege one of the company's managers has verbally abused many of the Pakistani and other South Asian employees with racial slurs.

"We are suffering from discrimination and verbal violations," said driver Sherjeel Butt. "We need justice here. That's why we approached the mayor. We moved from all over Canada to come to Saskatoon. They fire people for no reason because there are lots of people moving from around Canada to Saskatoon (to do the job)."

Suppes said any comments perceived to be racist were the result of a "misunderstanding" from a manager who "may have said some things that (the Pakistani drivers) may have found offensive.

"She thought it was in good fun and obviously that didn't happen. We've cautioned her and she won't be doing it any longer.

"We are so far from racist here," he said. "If we were, why would we hire these people in the first place? We have a multicultural organization here with people from all walks of life and ethnic backgrounds. It's absolutely not true."

Suppes said the company "scrambled" to provide service on Wednesday night and again Thursday, but was meeting demand.

"The fortunate part is that we're getting to a time of the year where it's getting to be less busy," he said.

"If we have to, we'll get some new drivers."

The drivers had a bevy of complaints ranging from how the taxi industry is regulated to hiring practices to being told to fill up with gas at United Group stations, which Suppes defended as "good business."

Muzaffar called for a city-run taxi commission made up of company representatives, drivers and members of the public to deal with licensing and enforcement of the industry.


05/29/2009 11:46 AM


notdeniro
Re :   Existance of this forum....

If people want to, we could set up different categories on this forum.

For example "survival" oriented ones where we could give each other heads up on conventions/events in town, locations of speed traps, red light cameras, and taxicab commission officials, best mechanics, lawyers, meter shops, the intracacies of working for each of the different cab companies.

And maybe a "complaints" category or something like that where we can compare stories of feeling fucked over and figure out if we, as drivers, can do anything about it.

any others? or can everything be fit into one of these two categories in some way?

And a big question:
How do we get other drivers to know about this forum?
There was the leaflet floating around, should we just make more copies and hand them out? Just talk to other drivers? Announce it online somehow?


05/29/2009 11:34 AM


Knyghtryda
Topic :   Existance of this forum....

Interesting forum.  Glad to have a specific place to complain with those few who understand what we put up with, and maybe we can get some attention from those who "run" shit (cab company owners and our fine elected officials!) that WE make WORK....

I hope though this forum can also act as a sort of support network that is actually useful to us trying to survive this job and not just a negative bitch-fest-   not that venting complaints ain't important cos it is!!

But maybe we can also share info on mechanics, CPAs, lawyers, and ins agents and even cab companies that WON'T screw you, and swap safety info others can learn from.......

Thanks notdinero

Later ya'll


05/14/2009 02:50 AM


Knyghtryda
Re :   Just how bad have things got?

But on the topic, yeah it IS suckin' -just try to hang in there for Obama's recovery plans to work I guess!  Do what ya can to act and be positive is my advice, life is hard enough without bein miserable about shit beyond your control...

 

Peace



05/14/2009 02:38 AM


Knyghtryda
Re :   Just how bad have things got?

"I talked to one driver who got 6 ($100+) red light tickets in Creve Coeur in a months time."


Sounds like a personal problem!  They are labeled if not obvious, best not to fuck around with them, it ain't hard!


05/14/2009 02:33 AM


Knyghtryda
Re :   Just how bad have things got?

I have yet to get a hard time from the MTC (knock on wood) but for my annual $100 I wish they'd bust heads on those illegal cabs at least.  I like the idea of Taxi driver appreciation day, but those some expensive ass donuts and coffee!!! 


05/14/2009 02:28 AM


Knyghtryda
Re :   Did anyone know the Laclede driver who got shot?

No, but it do sound fishee.  Hushed up quick too I think.  Granted, he might have been up to shit he shouldnt have been.....

Just watch yer ass out there ya'll.


05/14/2009 02:22 AM


Knyghtryda
Re :   Are we really independent contractors?

"The company insists we are independent contractors so they don't have to pay taxes on us, give us benefits on the job, or give us unemployment money when they fire us. But they still maintain a level of control over us greater than we would have working a standard job as an employee. With all the dress codes, firing and 10xing power, refusal of sick and vacation days, the inability for us to set the rates for our services, we don't even have the "freedom" that being an independent contractor would suggest."


Sounds like the definition of independant contractor to me!  At least they don't tell me when and where to work....


05/14/2009 02:19 AM


guest
Re :   Just how bad have things got?

I am a County driver and things have gotten tough here lately also.  I think it has affected everybody with this economy.  It is so true that harassment by the taxi commission has been a huge problem.   It has been really hard out here working long hours and not making near as much as we were before.   Getting messed with by the taxi commission has been a big problem from my standpoint.  They are getting ready the change the rules once again on us and we do need to use this forum to stand up to them that this is not right.  This is going to be a long summer considering that business has not been as good as last year.  I am glad that we have the All star baseball game in July but still it is going to be tough after that week is over.  We just need to stand up to the taxi commission and say what they are planning on doing here is wrong.  We just need enough drivers to band up together to fight this and if we have to take it to the state elected officials that we elected into office and let them know what is the problem here.  I feel for every driver that is having a hard time during this tough recession and lets hope we make it though it together and we need every driver to stand up for what is right and lets just all hope the new Director of the cab commission will listen to us and do the right thing here and listen to the drivers.  If the cab commission works with the drivers it will be much better but I am not to hopeful on that because I know how that they have been with the last director on how he handled things.  It was not very good at all. 


04/29/2009 09:17 AM


guest
Topic :   Just how bad have things got?

With the exception of maybe County Cab drivers, the economic times seem to have really hit us hard.

Some things I've noticed:
-Dispatch volume was slow, slow, slow all winter, with the exception of February. In early December, a dispatcher said, "First of the month doesn't mean anything anymore with this economy." And later, "December is going to look like summer." Many of us drivers with dispatch are forced downtown to fend for ourselves and join the non-dispatch cabs creeping around looking for fares in a city where few actually flag down taxis. Also, More East Side taxis are also coming over to work downtown.

-Some days a lot of us cannot even make pro. Some weeks I've made the equivalent of $4/hour. Bad nights used to be the exception,  now they're the norm- to have a "good night" is a rarity. Most weeks now, we give more money to the company and the gas stations than we give to ourselves.

-There's a lot more scooping and cutting lines and fighting between drivers going on as  the fares have dried up and we get frustrated just trying to make a few extra bucks.

- Compared to three years ago, prices of everything (food, rent, gas, etc.) have gone up, but I make less and pay more daily to the company.

-Office hours have been cut back, narrowing the window of time we can cash vouchers, pay pro, etc. Dispatchers are being given the responsibility of also answering phones more and more often. Rumors are everywhere about ABC/Checker, Harris, and the Taxi Commission itself all on the edge of bankruptcy.

-More and more police harrassment and ticketing in the Landing.

-Over the last three years, I've noticed more homeless panhandlers, more surveillance and red light cameras, and generally, starker divisions between the rich and the poor. I talked to one driver who got 6 ($100+) red light tickets in Creve Coeur in a months time.

-A Harris Cab driver on how slow it has been: "This night is fucked up. This week is fucked up. It's all fucked up."


04/21/2009 18:44 PM


guest
Topic :   Did anyone know the Laclede driver who got shot?

The story in the news didn't really make sense. And I found it kind of insulting that Laclede claimed he was "off-duty." Is there such a thing? At Laclede you don't have to clock in and clock out, so who are they to say that he didn't have his radio on waiting for a call? Even if he wasn't, it just shows the arrogance and since of invincibility they have in the office at Laclede. Not to say that any of the other companies are any less arrogant and corrupt...  I gave a ride to a Laclede phone answerer who described an incident this winter hearing a female driver get mugged only to be told by the dispatcher to hold on while he ran a credit card. I don't think any thing else can show more clearly where the company's priorities fall.


04/21/2009 02:53 AM


guest
Topic :   Are we really independent contractors?

The company insists we are independent contractors so they don't have to pay taxes on us, give us benefits on the job, or give us unemployment money when they fire us. But they still maintain a level of control over us greater than we would have working a standard job as an employee. With all the dress codes, firing and 10xing power, refusal of sick and vacation days, the inability for us to set the rates for our services, we don't even have the "freedom" that being an independent contractor would suggest.

Maybe this means something? - an LA cab driver won unemployment benefits back in 2006:

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IWW Victory for Taxi Drivers at LA Airport
By Ernesto NevarezJ
uly-August 2006
http://www.iww.org/en/node/2798

The City of Los Angeles has issued 9 Franchise Contracts to taxi companies which allow them to work LAX. These companies have permission to use about 3,000 drivers. Most are poor immigrants from a variety of countries, such as Iran, Russia, Congo, Pakistan, etc. The companies have banded together and have invented a non-standard workplace with characteristics that have been institutionalized and accepted as the "standard" and which the workers have fatalistically believed was their reality.  That was until the Nick Search Decision!

Most of these companies vary in legal entity with the standard being a non-profit membership corporation made up of members who own the vehicles.The first thought was that since the taxi company was made up of taxi owners, no one would be employees. This thought was erroneous. Even in small partnerships, if you do work for the partnership, you are an employee.

You can be a limited partner and only have a passive participation to safeguard an economic investment but if you do work, you are still an employee. Eventually the "owners" allowed for multiple cab ownership and the standard is now limiting owners to 5 cabs maximum.  Well, u can just imagine what happened to the immigrant work force of drivers. They were all denied their employment rights and have been treated as independent contractors and almost none receive even a 1099 and none are known to receive a w-2 form.

An original member of the Waterfront Rail Truckers Union of 1987, who has become a taxi driver over the last 15 years, was recently released from a job at a taxi company. He requested wage credits for all of last year during which time he worked at ITOA, Independent Taxi Owners' Association, driving a cab belonging to the CEO. The company claimed that he was an independent contractor, and the worker strongly insisted that he was an employee. Just last week, he received word that his employment status was upheld, and has received some nice size unemployment benefit checks! 

Political fall-out: All of the "owners" are in denial and the LATDA is having an emergency meeting. The driver and his friends from the competing LATDO are having their meeting Sunday night to celebrate and plan on how to promote the victory and go after the rest of the companies. Their mobilizers are IWW members with dual membership and supporters. ONE single unemployed, homeless, living out of a shelter worker, Vietnam Veteran, with NOTHING, nothing at all except his pride, his IWW shirt, and a desire for justice, has just FUCKED the whole damn cab industry!  The competing group,  the LATDA, with all of their lawyers, have failed to accomplish what this one Wobbly worker has done. 

There are many "do-gooders" that come to the non-standard work places, the underground economy, and attempt to find a solution within the parameters of the non-standard workplace. The true solution will come from the workers themselves. The industry and government regulators "allowed" the workplaces to become nonstandard with the understanding that the workers are complacent and that the "do-gooders" will confine themselves to the status quo. Never did anyone expect the workers to educate themselves and to use the "non-standard" characteristics to destroy the same industry.

The "leader" of the LATDO, Mike,  has been put in jail at least three times this year for organizing at the LAX holding yard.  Everyone else and their mother are allowed on the holding yard except for him. Yes, we know about the NLRA but it is part of a dream in a different world and not ours. This time brother Mike will not stand outside the holding yard by himself, but will include the rest of his brothers that are organizing at the airport and at the harbor.

The purpose of the non-standard workplace is to deny the workers their rights and to keep out legitimate competition.  The only recourse for the workers is to create economic chaos and anarchy.  After the war, when the dust settles, then there can be a collective agreement. Congratulations to our Wobbly brothers and sisters at the Airport!




04/21/2009 02:27 AM


notdeniro
Topic :   Cab strikes and protests from the last couple years

These are some strikes and protests of taxi drivers that I found or had remembered hearing about. Could these be a taste of what is possible for us?

2009


April- Yueyang City, China:
11 rioters detained amid cab strike in central China city

April- Morocco:
Transport Strikes Leaves Morocco Crippled

March/April- Dublin, Ireland:
Taxi strike, student protests after unions call off national strike
Hundreds of taxi drivers stage Dublin protest over deregulation of industry

March- Watford, UK:
Saturday night chaos as taxi drivers strike

March- Bristol, UK:
Bristol cabbies lose bid to stop blue-only taxi rule

March- Barnsley, UK:
Taxi drivers in Barnsley staged a 'go slow' protest in town

March- Birmingham, UK:
Traffic chaos as cabbies' strike over New Street Station space row

January- Port Elizabeth, South Africa:
Flames of Havoc

2008

November- Chicago, IL:
Chicago Cab Drivers Seek 16% Fare Increase, Threaten Strike

October- Mumbai, India:
55,000 taxis, 150,000 auto-rickshaws strike work, bring Mumbai to a standstill

August 2004 - September 2008- China:
Chongqing taxi strike just the latest in a long line of driver protests

February- Washington DC:
Taxicab Strike Actions Reported Throughout Downtown

January- France:
Striking taxi drivers protest and block roads

2007

November- Rome, Italy:
Central Rome Streets Blocked by Taxi Drivers

October- Sydney, Australia:
Cabbies protest at Sydney Airport

September- Atlanta, GA:
Atlanta cabbies in wildcat strike

September- New York City, NY:
New York Taxi Strike Causes Longer Waits

September- Philadelphia, PA:
Phila. cab drivers start two-day strike

May- Italy:
Italian taxi drivers resume strike


04/21/2009 01:54 AM


guest
Topic :   April cab strikes in Oakland, California and Windsor, Canada

I found these two recent cab driver strikes. Both seemed triggered by high pro and the economic crisis.

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Article on the Oakland Strike:
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Cabbies strike after owners refuse to lower weekly fees
By Tammerlin Drummond, Oakland Tribune
April 14, 2009



Driving a taxicab has never been what I would consider cushy work.

Drivers often work shifts as long as 17 hours. They sleep sitting upright in their cabs in airport holding pens while they wait their turn to pick up an arriving passenger. They are away from their families for days at a time.

It used to be a modest living, especially for immigrants whose skills back in their native countries weren't easily transferable to the U.S.

But with the economy in free fall, cabbies, like a lot of people, are facing tough times. Fewer people are traveling for business and pleasure so there are fewer airport fares. In the Bay Area, JetBlue and Southwest now offer flights out of San Francisco, which has cut into Oakland Airport cab traffic.

On Monday, the drivers at Oakland's largest taxi company, Friendly Cab, went on strike. About 30 drivers protested in front of Oakland City Hall. They were back again Tuesday.

They're demanding that the city allow them to purchase their own taxi licenses, known as medallions, so that they won't have to lease their cars from Friendly Cab's husband-wife team of Surinder and Baljit Singh.

Between three companies, the Singhs control more than half of the 304 medallions issued by the city of Oakland. The drivers say the owners charge them $525 per week to lease their taxis. That's down from the $900 that drivers used to pay when times were flush, but still more, they say, than they can pay. They tried to get the Singhs to lower their so-called "gate" to $400 per week. When Surinder Singh refused to meet with them, their union, the East Bay Taxi Drivers Association, called for a strike. Half of its 100 members have gone on the picket line.

Anwar Sadran, president of the association, said his drivers' business is down 60 percent.

"We have to wait hours and hours at the airport," Sadran said. "Then, if you don't get a good fare, you're dead meat."

I am one of those "dead meat" fares. Since I live so close to the airport, my meter usually runs about $16. I always feel guilty because I know the poor driver will have to return to the airport and wait hours for another fare. I've been known to fib to the airport dispatcher and say that I live closer than I actually do so the driver can get a ticket that allows him to skip waiting in line again.

A recent decision by the Port of Oakland that now allows all cabs to pick up at the airport — rather than a select one-third of drivers, has also reduced the money that regular airport drivers were making.

Takele Alemayen has been driving a cab in Oakland since 1990. He says it's a far cry from the days when he could pick up one fare after another.

"I could take a day off," he said. "Now there is no day off. If I do take one I still have to pay the owners $75 for the cab."

There has been bad blood between the drivers and the Singhs for years.

The cabbies complain that the Singhs arbitrarily raise gate fees and refuse to meet to discuss the drivers' concerns.

Up until recently, Abdul Wahid Asghari, a 58-year-old father of four, drove car No. 206. But he says Friendly took his keys because he owed back "gate" receipts, the weekly amount that it costs cabbies to lease their cars.

He had just paid one week, but he didn't have the rest.

"I said, 'What else can I do? I don't have the money,'" Asghari said.

He said that Friendly offered to lease him back his cab — only at a higher rate. He refused.

I tried reaching Surinder Singh at Friendly but there was no answer. My cell phone message to her husband, Baljit, was not returned.

The taxi drivers say that they'll strike until they get satisfaction — lower lease fees or the right to buy their own medallions.

"If we have to, we'll drive all 50 of these cars to Sacramento, leave them at the Capitol and turn over the keys," Sadran said.

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Article on the Windsor Strike:
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'Good Samaritan' alleges attack as Vet Cab strike drags
By Dave Battagello and Donald McArthur, The Windsor Star
April 10, 2009



Tempers are allegedly flaring on Windsor’s streets as the nine-day strike by 300 Veteran Cab drivers drags on with no talks scheduled through the Easter weekend.

Colin Cutler, who has been picking up passengers at the train station in his blue Windstar van since the strike began, filed a police report Friday, alleging a group of angry drivers vandalized his vehicle Thursday night.

Cutler claims he was sitting in his van in the parking lot of the Tim Horton’s near the station about 11:30 p.m. when several people kicked and spat on his van, bending the antenna and breaking the rear windshield wiper.

On Wednesday, Cutler alleges, a group prevented him for several minutes from leaving the depot parking lot with a train passenger bound for the downtown Hilton.

Cutler said he has been offering stranded passengers free rides as a “Good Samaritan,” but conceded he has pocketed some tip money.

“There’s lots of people looking for rides,” he said.

Gerry Farnham, president of CAW Local 195, which represents the drivers, said he had no knowledge of the alleged incidents involving Cutler or any incidents of violence involving his members.

He expressed concerns, though, about taxi drivers licensed in other municipalities who are picking up fares in Windsor — a contravention of a city bylaw stipulating they can only drop off fares in the city.

“That’s creating some problems on the line and rightfully so. The enforcement officers should be fining any taxi cab driver from outside the city picking up here in the city,” said Farnham.

“Just because we’re on strike doesn’t give cabs from other municipalities the right to come in and pick up fares.”

Talks with the company appeared to be headed in “the right direction” on Wednesday, said Farnham, but they were derailed when several multi-license plate owners for the company showed up and met in private with company executives, who emerged with an unacceptable contract offer.

"They did drop on some things, but it was not something our members would agree to," Farnham said. "We knew that and let the employer know that we would not feel comfortable bringing it to our members.

"I was disappointed and frustrated. Things were going in one direction and a couple people show up and it went a different way in my opinion. That's how it went into the ditch."

Farnham described the rental rates for cabs paid by a majority of drivers as too high.

"The ridership has gone down about 25 per cent," Farnham said. "We need rates that reflect we are in a recession, that ridership is down and our members can earn an income to raise a family."

Drivers are locked in a seven-day a week, 12-hours per day work situation, he said.

"We are just waiting on the employer," Farnham said "If they have a different offer and want us to come back our phone lines are open."

"It is Easter weekend, but we are prepared to go back at it."


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